Sexism does exist, but it had nothing to do with Obama's victory

Let me preface this diary by saying that there is no doubt in my mind that sexism has been and will continue to be a major force in our national politics for the foreseeable future. The fact that women make up half of our population, and even a greater percentage of voters, but that they hold relatively few national offices attests to that fact. That being said, I honestly believe that the idea that Hillary finds herself in this position mostly because of the sexism of the press, the Democratic Party, and the Obama campaign - as many here have alleged - is ridiculous.

I don't know that this can be emphasized enough.

Hillary is losing, and will eventually lose this nomination because of self inflicted wounds.

1) She admitted that she never planned for this contest to go beyond February 5th.

2) In an election defined by "change", she ran on experience and knowledge of the "insider" game of Washington.

3) In an election where the vast majority of the country believes Iraq was a strategic mistake, Senator Clinton steadfastly refused to admit she was wrong to vote for authorization.

4) Hillary's poll numbers on perceived dishonesty and unfavorability have been relatively stable at more than 50% - even among Democrats.

5) After South Carolina, she lost most AA support.

6) THe campaign was financially mismanaged and is upwards of $20,000,000 in debt.  

7) The inability of the campaign to control Bill Clinton in the early days.  

Now, let's imagine that we lived in a Utopia where sexism simply didn't exist. Even if that were the case, that would have had ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on the  7 mistakes that I pointed out above.

The fact that Obama made comments about how the "claws have come out" does not change the fact that the Clinton campaign never took caucuses seriously.

The fact that some college students barged into an event yelling "Iron my shirt!" and that CLinton supporters feel the media was not sufficiently offended, had no bearing on the fact that the Clinton campaign spent $500,000 on parking and is $10,000,000 in debt to an advisor/pollster that could have very easily been replaced by any of probably a dozen Hillary supporters from MyDD.  

Add up every sexist comment that has been made during the campaign and I still don't see how it is that it forced the Clinton campaign to make those critical errors. At the end of the day the reason Hillary is losing is because she is behind in delegates and the popular vote - not because she is a woman. The numbers show that the voters had no problem voting for a woman. If the campaign was run more efficiently and professionally, we would not be having this discussion.

 



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Re: Sexism does exist, but it had nothing to do wi (2.00 / 1)

Thank you. I wish that Clinton supporters would realize that the reason why she lost was because of the campaign that she ran. Don't get me wrong, the media has been both sexist and racist but that is only part of the story. The other part is that she needed to have someone other than Mark Penn to begin with.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:18:08 AM EST

Re: Sexism does exist, (2.00 / 2)

I agree, but I think it's even simpler than that.  Clinton's failure to win is based on two factors: 1) her Iraq vote; and 2) a completely atrocious primary strategy.  If she voted against the AUMF, she would have won.  If she had anyone but Mark Penn as her campaign advisor, she would have won.

Sexism should not be tolerated, but that is not the reason she lost.  


by rfahey22 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:39:18 AM EST

Re: Sexism does exist, but it had nothing to do (2.00 / 1)

Not so much.
Look, racism has clearly hurt Obama in some areas / constituencies / demographics, and sexism has clearly hurt Hillary in some areas / constituencies /  demographics.
We progressives have been complaining about / fighting  societal racism and sexism for generations - - why do some of us now deny their obvious impact on this year's electoral politics for the short term gain / spin of our candidates du jour?  Long after both Hillary and Obama leave the scene, we'll still be battling racism and sexism, and I'm not going to excuse or ignore either wrong for today's passion.
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:50:20 AM EST

we've all had to face garbage (2.00 / 0)

hillary had to face garbage.

Obama had to face garbage (ie underground email campaign: muslim, madrass, koran, etc., etc.)

we're all in this together.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:57:22 AM EST

Re: we've all had to face garbage (2.00 / 1)

Al Rodgers for VP!

Or at least Press Secretary!

Or maybe official presidential blogger!

Anyway to use your Fail pics in some official capacity


by CaptainMorgan on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:34:18 AM EST
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Re: They've both had to deal with prejudice... (none / 0)

...but at least the msm didn't engage in racist attacks against Obama.  If they had, there would have been widespread anger and revulsion, and rightly so.  


by half nelson on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:19:18 PM EST
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I agree with your central theme (none / 0)

If sexism was a culprit, I think she may have contributed to it by promoting early how historic her candidacy was.  I don't believe identity politics is ever a good thing.  Eventually, her male percentages increased.

You list many important contributions to her defeat.  Some I don't think mattered much.  The change vs. experience thing was overplayed.  She won a lot of states where change was the number one factor preferred.  

I don't think differentials in favorability ratings mattered much either and his increased over time.  Her popular vote totals are fairly similar to his (and, remember, he had a margin of 650,000 from his home state alone.  Without that he would be several hundred thousand behind) so if there is a difference in their favorbility margins, that didn't lead people to vote for them overall in much different margins.

I don't think Bill Clinton hurt her much overall, either.

The others were pretty significant factors.  I think it is a shame that the war vote hurt her so much and the Democratic primary electorate may regret some day that so many of them felt the need to punish her for this.


by lombard on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:45:35 AM EST

Of course (none / 0)

How much each of those specifically affected her candidacy is debatable. But again, I have yet to see any rational explanation as to how sexism has caused her to lose votes to Obama.  


by highgrade on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:04:58 AM EST
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Re: Do you think... (none / 0)

...the media's incessant running of Dean's "scream"  impacted his candidacy?  Do you think  that the media's sniping at Gore and Kerry had an impact?  I think many democrats would say yes to both questions.  

Negative press matters, and as a party, we should not let it go unchallenged, whether we support the candidate being attacked or not.  


by half nelson on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:25:27 PM EST
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Sexism in the blogosphere (none / 0)

first of all, she hasn't lost. In fact, if Dems are interested in winning in November, she's in better shape than Obama. That is a fact. I'm mostly in favor of him going off and becoming a defense contractor, but if he has to be on the ticket with her, so be it. I feel sorry for her if she has to back him up, but she is a party person and she will do her part to make sure Dems win in November. I'm still hopeful that she'll come out on top. She is a better bet in the long run and I've always known the primary was going to be a far bigger battle for her. For Obama, it's the inverse.

Second of all, whether or not she is behind in delegates because of sexism, isn't what Clinton supporters are angry about. What we're angry about is the overt sexism on display and the fact that the Democratic party hasn't done or said anything about it. I'm angry that Obama never told his supporters to knock it off. I'm angry that Michelle never told Obama to knock it off. I'm angry that Howard Dean never took a stand with the media. I'm angry that the blogosphere never took a stand with the media. I'm angry that the media never called the blogosphere out.

Obama has faced nowhere near the amount of racism as Clinton has faced sexism. I won't vote for Obama because he hasnt' taken a stand against it. That simple. I won't vote for racists and i won't for misogynists. That leaves both McCain and Obama on my shit list. If Clinton isn't the nominee, I won't be voting for president.

And I am ashamed of how badly the Democratic party has handled the amount of misogyny dished out.


by glitterannebegay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:16:28 AM EST

Re: Sexism does exist, but it had nothing to do wi (none / 0)

How do you know?

Sexism does exist, was visible in this campaign, and nobody knows exactly what effect it had on the outcome.  I'm annoyed with people saying "It wasn't a factor" or "It was a huge factor."  We don't know.  It's a hard thing to measure.  

I'm just as annoyed at people presuming it had little-to-no impact as I am with those who consider it the deciding factor.


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:19:45 AM EST

I agree (none / 0)

Sexism has been rampant among talking heads and some of Obama's comments but I don't think it is the main reason we have the situation we have today.  There are so many other factors at play.  I think race has been amplified a lot more than gender in this primary.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:57:31 AM EST


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