Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas voters?

by highgrade, Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:26:22 PM EST

Heard the story first at Kos, available at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5 /29/22624/7358/589/525218

Apparently there is a group of Hillary supporters challenging the results of the vote from Collin County - where Obama won more delegates than Clinton. And why? Because the delegate convention was being held on the wrong day! Apparently there was so much interest that they couldn't find a place large enough to hold everyone - so it was delayed by ONE DAY.

Here is the story from PoliTex.

It was a localized version of the Michigan/Florida debate in Grand Prairie today and once again, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supporters were at odds.

Local Clinton supporters advocated Thursday for unseating ALL of the Democratic delegates from Collin County because their senate district conventions were held on the wrong day.

Officials with the Collin County Democratic Party said they chose to hold the convention a day late because there wasn't a large enough venue in the county available for the scheduled date of Saturday, March 29. Party officials warned at the time that the eligibility of their delegation may be challenged.

A state credentials committee for the Texas Democratic Party was in Grand Prairie holding hearings on over 100 challenges to North Texas delegates who were elected to attend next week's state Democratic convention in Austin.

Delegates at the state convention will vote on how many Obama and Clinton delegates will represent Texas in the national convention in Denver.

Most of the morning was occupied with the charge that all of Collin County's delegates should be deemed ineligible.

The committee agreed to postpone voting on that challenge until more information was available.

Frederick Barrow, an Obama supporter who chaired the Collin County credentials committee, alleged that Clinton supporters were only trying to unseat the delegation because Obama won more delegates from Collin County.

"I believe the party really did all it could and, in a detailed way, examined all of the negatives of changing the date," Barrow said.

Clinton supporters said state law required that senate district conventions be held on Saturday, March 29.

"What is troubling me...is that it seems to me that this rule is crystal clear," said Martha Smiley, a Clinton supporter on the state party's credentials committee.

Clinton supporters issued several charges, including that the Collin County Democratic Party didn't properly notify all their delegates of the date change and that they only chose to hold the convention a day later because they wanted a nicer venue than what was available on March 29.

Some Tarrant County delegates could have ended in the same boat, according to Fort Worth Clinton backer Jason Smith.

He told the committee that then-Tarrant County Democratic Chair Art Brender tried to change the date of the convention for Senate District 10 because he was having trouble finding a proper location. State Party Chairman Boyd Richie told him that wasn't allowed, according to Smith. The SD 10 convention was eventually held on March 29 in Will Rogers Coliseum.

"We actually held senate district 10 in a rodeo barn," Smith said.

Text taken from http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/ 2008/05/local-democrat.html

Hypocrisy anyone?




Tags: obama, hillary, texas, disenfranchise (all tags)

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eh, let em do their thing. (none / 0)

The courts are a robust backstop, I'm not standing in the way of that shrapnel anymore.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:30:41 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise (2.00 / 4)

Yeah, and they tried that at the county conventions, too. It's hypocritical, yeah, but it's the only bone they have left to play with. What d'you expect? Again, the people playing these games aren't representative of the Clinton supporters I've met in real life, or around here. It'll all get worked out, I'm sure.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:32:33 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise (none / 0)

just a few more days my friend


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:34:31 PM EST
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Re: Count all the votes! (none / 0)

you just started posting today so I am going to go out on a limb and guess you are A.  Not a democrat and B.  Not from Michigan


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:33:50 PM EST

Re: Count all the votes! (none / 0)

Just a parody troll.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:35:21 PM EST
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Re: Count all the votes! (none / 0)

I'm a Michigan Democrat, and I think that MI delegates SHOULD NOT BE SEATED.


"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain
by Tommy Flanagan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:31:39 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas vot (none / 0)

They should throw out all of the caucus results in Texas. Obama's campaign gamed the system like you wouldn't believe. By the way, no one's being disenfranchised in Texas. We all had a chance to vote then we caucused.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:35:11 PM EST

Another parody troll. (2.00 / 1)

That's cute.


by turtlescrubber on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:42:19 PM EST
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Re: Another parody troll. (none / 0)

Looks like we have another "head in the sand" troll.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:45:34 PM EST
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Didn't hear you (none / 0)

complain about the caucuses before they happened.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:11:28 AM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas vot (2.00 / 1)

That's funny, because I don't seem to recall the Clintons saying anything negative about the Texas rules before the primary started - only when it turned out it hurt them.

Can you point me to a link that indicates otherwise?


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by mistersite on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:51:05 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters (none / 0)

well unless they can prove that people showed up on the wrong day and effectively didn't allow them to represent their candidate of choice becuase of the date change, it wont stick.


by alyssa chaos on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:37:30 PM EST

It's NOT FAIR (2.00 / 1)

These people voted, and now they're going to be stripped of their delegates because the Big Bad Party officials decided to move the date of the convention? What does that say about our sacrifices in World War II, the Challenger tragedy, and the Killing Fields of Cambodia?


by highgrade on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:42:08 PM EST

Re: It's NOT FAIR (none / 0)

You're right. The people in Collin county did vote. Then, after 7:00 pm (or when the last person voted), the caucus conventions started. So, you see, no delegates won by a vote are in danger of being stripped away. They're only talking about the wholly undemocratic caucus system.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:49:32 PM EST
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Seriously, the whole parody thing is old. n/t (1.00 / 1)


by turtlescrubber on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:56:36 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, the whole parody thing is old. n/t (none / 0)

At this point you're being purely disruptive. So I troll rated you.


by souvarine on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:13:12 AM EST
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So the flame bait comment above isn't (none / 0)

disruptive?


by turtlescrubber on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:13:52 AM EST
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Re: So the flame bait comment above isn't (none / 0)

stating an opinion relevant to the diary, even if you disagree with it, is not disruptive.


by souvarine on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:06:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas vot (none / 0)

The rules are the rules, I'm told.  I hear it's perfectly standard to rule that election activities don't count if they happen on the wrong day.  The voters have no one but their party officials to blame, blah blah blah, you know the rest.  

Presumably we can all agree that the hypocrisy charge can go either way.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:30:08 AM EST

Re: Presumably we can all agree that the hypocrisy (none / 0)

No agreement here.  Clinton owns this one with "count all the votes".


by haystax calhoun on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:16:20 AM EST
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Re: Presumably we can all agree that the hypocrisy (none / 0)

Just so you know, when I say I expect people to be reasonable and see the other side, it's usually tongue in cheek.  At least on this site.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:21:21 AM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas vot (none / 0)

Steve M, have it either one way or the other, hell you can have it both ways in favor of Clinton -- and either way cases Obama still wins the nomination.

This isn't about votes or delegates or about the will of the people or about the rules anymore. This whole affair is merely about Hillary's desperate but very zealous attempt to support McCain by sowing discord and resentment against Obama.

Hypocrisy? Fine if you wish, I'll give you Colin county, if you agree to disallow MI and FL. Or let's count them both if you want. Or punish all them by half. Or hell, choose and pick whichever rules you'll follow. That's fine also.

Have it whichever way you want, but accept that Obama wins no matter how much you twist the rules and STOP WHINING ALREADY, YOU CRYBABIES!


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:33:18 AM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters to disenfranchise Texas vot (none / 0)

Thanks for sharing that little morsel of Unity Talk.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:22 AM EST
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Instant Karma (none / 0)

Clinton supporters challenge was denied today:
"The Texas Democratic Party's temporary credentials committee voted unanimously this evening to deny a challenge aimed at unseating the entire Collin County delegation from attending next week's state convention."

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/22347 68/29596076


by haystax calhoun on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:12:48 AM EST

Count them (none / 0)

Seriously.  I'm fine with counting the votes.  When people vote, we count them.  Colin County, Florida, Michigan, caucuses, etc.

Full inclusion, no exceptions.  


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by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:26:34 AM EST


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