Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP

Sorry for the length but this sounds like a pretty strong admission of Hillary's desire for the VP position.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/06/hillary_ally_says_she_au thoriz.php

Johnson said he began discussing the vice presidency with Clinton last month and that they talked about it at a dinner in Puerto Rico last Saturday and again by phone and e-mail on Tuesday. "Let me be clear," Johnson said in a telephone interview Wednesday morning. "She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November."

This will be the first big test of Obama as the nominee. If the reports are true that his campaign is dead set against having Clinton as VP, how does he manage this considering the numerous hints that are being dropped (covertly and now explicitly) that Hillary wants the offer??



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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 1)

Rather than let these rumors and speculation fester, I suspect that Obama will choose a VP (not Hillary) rather quickly.


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:39:09 PM EST

Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 1)

My money is on Sebelius.


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:39:53 PM EST
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His selection of another woman (2.00 / 2)

and one who didn't back Clinton's historic candidacy would push me close to the brink of not voting for him.  Same for the choice of a traitor like Richardson.  I've voted democrat for President my entire life, but I would give serious thought to pulling the lever for Nader or just writing HRC in instead.    

Close to the brink, but not over the brink.  But I am just a mainline Clinton supporter who always thought that Barack Obama was a good man and a good candidate (just not the best).


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:54:24 PM EST
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Re: His selection of another woman (none / 0)

Yes, why vote for the party trying to accomplish the vast majority of Hillary's goals, thereby making her time as a senator even easier?


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:55:55 PM EST
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Some selections would demonstrate (2.00 / 2)

a lack of respect, contempt, for Clinton and her supporters.   I would not suggest that he must pick someone from the Clinton camp (though I would advise him to pick Clinton herself).  But picking an early Obama supporter is in and of itself not a way to heal the party.  To pick a woman or a Clinton loyalist like Richardson who stabbed her in the back by endorsing Obama early would be extremely destructive in my view.

Sure, it can all be brought back to "it's still the democrats"  Heck, he could pick Father Pflager or Reverend Wright to be his running mate (wait, they are from IL too so that would not work).   In the end, I'd probably hold my nose and vote for him anyway because the other choice is so bad.   But I suspect that there are many who would not.  

I guess that there are some who won't vote for him under any cicumstances (hopefull very few of those), and those who will only vote for him if Clinton is on the ticket (I suspect that this is also a small, but potentially decisive, slice of the voters).  


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:15:17 PM EST
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Re: Some selections would demonstrate (none / 0)

Sebelius as a VP wouldn't be a slap in the face to HRC. A competent and compelling female candidate isn't a slap in the face to what (was) a competent and compelling female candidate.

What HRC has become is a slap in the face to those who support competent and compelling female candidates.


by notxjack on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:17:11 PM EST
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I would see it as (2.00 / 1)

Obama taking an early female supporter who sold out a historical female candidate with almost identical policy positions, and positioning her to benefit directly from her act.

Not only would I be right at the line of voting for that ticket, but I would never ever ever vote for her if she ran for President.  Never.

Four years is a long time as we know, but there will be another election in 2012, and we will have democratic majorities in both houses.  

Not having a democrat in the WH would be a big tragedy, but not an utter calamity.   Anyway, I think that this discussion is purely speculative and academic.  

I fully expect that Obama's choice will reflect a desire to unite and heal the party.   There are many people that he could choose to do this -- Sabelius, Napolitano, Richardson, and McCaskill are not one of them.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:24:08 PM EST
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Re: I would see it as (none / 0)

Everything you say indicates why Hillary is the true anti-feminist candidate, as I've been arguing for a while now.

For starters her candidacy seems to have turned you against other women in leadership positions.

Secondly her candidacy seems to have made you think that other women oughtn't have the right to their own opinions, they must fall in line behind the leader...

And that's leaving aside how initially Hillary tried to benefit from her marital name ("It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush")

Other women need to fall in line behind her: How Clinton has truly empowered the female gender!


by Aris Katsaris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:18:55 PM EST
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I would see it as (none / 0)

Obama taking an early female supporter who sold out a historical female candidate with almost identical policy positions, and positioning her to benefit directly from her act.

Not only would I be right at the line of voting for that ticket, but I would never ever ever vote for her if she ran for President.  Never.

Four years is a long time as we know, but there will be another election in 2012, and we will have democratic majorities in both houses.  

Not having a democrat in the WH would be a big tragedy, but not an utter calamity.   Anyway, I think that this discussion is purely speculative and academic.  

I fully expect that Obama's choice will reflect a desire to unite and heal the party.   There are many people that he could choose to do this -- Sabelius, Napolitano, Richardson, and McCaskill are not one of them.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM EST
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Re: His selection of another woman (none / 0)

I just don't understand this.  If Hillary was the presumptive and decided that Deval Patrick was going to be her pick, I can't see any reason for me to vote against her because she choose another black guy as VP.  I would be happy that a black man was on the ticket, even if I was unhappy that Obama wasn't going to be Pres. I just can't understand that logic.


by GobBluth on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:57:57 PM EST
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Re: His selection of another woman (1.00 / 1)

Because there is no logic. HRC is doing one of two things right now: writing her concession speech, or praying to the old gods as she becomes an avatar of wrath, laying waste to all of the Democratic Party.


by notxjack on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:18:37 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

This is why Hillary hasn't conceded yet. She wants the VP slot and is withholding her concession as a negotiating tool.  


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:42:15 PM EST

it's amazing to me (none / 0)

That to lead the effort towards the ultimate symbol of reconciliation and unity, she chooses the absolute BUFFOON who tried his best to knee cap Obama's campaign in South Carolina.

Imagine the outrage if Obama asked Samantha Powers to speak with Hillary to get her on board.


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:44:50 PM EST

Re: it's amazing to me (2.00 / 1)

That's a very good point. A pretty ham-handed effort. I wonder if this was Mark Penn's bright idea.  


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:47:18 PM EST
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Uh oh (none / 0)

I hear diaries with the name "Bob Johnson" in them are highly correlated with MyDD freak-outs.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:44:57 PM EST

Re: Uh oh (none / 0)

Bob Johnson, founder of BET?


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:46:30 PM EST
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Not the same guy (none / 0)

I daren't say more.  My rec/rate privileges are dear to me.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:53:17 PM EST
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Re: Uh oh (none / 0)

Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God!Oh my God!Oh my God!Oh my God!Oh my God!Oh my God!Oh my God! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:48:11 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 1)

The Dems best shot at winning is with a Unity ticket - particularly if Obama is at the top. She made clear that she'll pick him if she's the nominee. If he doesn't, then there is a huge portion of her 18 million voters that will walk away from the Democrats.


by glitterannebegay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:46:14 PM EST

you may be correct (none / 0)

Although it's going to be hard to reconcile serving as VP under a president that you accused consistently of being unqualified to be commander in chief.


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:47:27 PM EST
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Re: you may be correct (none / 0)

And saying that his republican opponent was qualifed.


by parahammer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:10 PM EST
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Re: you may be correct (none / 0)

It will be harder for McCain to attack Obama's experience if Obama shows the maturity and judgment to pick a vice president as experienced as Hillary Clinton.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:10 PM EST
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Re: you may be correct (none / 0)

So experienced she said Obama did not pass the CiC threshold.


by parahammer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:39 PM EST
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Re: you may be correct (none / 0)

No, she never said that. She said she'd leave that to voters to decide.


by glitterannebegay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:24:56 PM EST
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Experienced at what? (none / 0)


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:53:46 PM EST
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i realize you're a Clinton supporter, (none / 0)

but that comment almost made me laugh.  


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:55:37 PM EST
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Re: i realize you're a Clinton supporter, (2.00 / 1)

spinning as best as I can.

Notice though that, under pressure from McCain, Obama moved toward Clinton positions on a number of contentious issues in his AIPAC speech. Specifically with regard to Iran.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:31:20 PM EST
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Jimmy Carter on VP choice (none / 0)

 From The Guardian;

   "I think it would be the worst mistake that could be made," said Carter. "That would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates."

   Carter, who formally endorsed the Illinois senator last night, cited opinion polls showing 50% of US voters with a negative view of Clinton.

   In terms that might discomfort the Obama camp, he said: "If you take that 50% who just don't want to vote for Clinton and add it to whatever element there might be who don't think Obama is white enough or old enough or experienced enough or because he's got a middle name that sounds Arab, you could have the worst of both worlds."

I tend to agree with Carter.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:56:09 PM EST

Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

Can't wait for that VP debate where every response to Hillary quotes her "CiC Threshold" quote.

Meanwhile, scores of the "18 million" have already accepted it and moved on. Bill Press finally came out this morning as having voted for Hillary (no duh), and most of the callers were Hillary supporters ready to move on.

Her supers are switching. the voters who gave her new Jersey and California are switching.

She's not needed, unless you want a juicy dramatic storyline for the media for the next 4.5 years.


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:59:25 PM EST

You might be right (none / 0)

But I don't want to roll the dice.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:16:58 PM EST
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Re: You might be right (none / 0)

Yes you do. HRC as a VP is a tremendous diceroll.

Someone winning uneducated Regan Dems in a primary is not necessarily going to win uneducated Regan Dems in a general.


by notxjack on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:21:09 PM EST
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True (none / 0)

Every political decision is a dice roll.  I think that we've taken the biggest dice roll in years by nominating Barack Obama.   Good thing the odds are with us in 2008.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:27:56 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 1)

Clinton as VP is a crazy idea.  The most basic rule of a presidential ticket is this: the prez is the alpha, the veep is the beta.  

Bill was the alpha, Al was the beta.  Ronnie was the alpha, George was the beta.  For George to look like an alpha he had to tap someone with particularly demonstrable beta qualities.  George, Jr. was the alpha, and Dick was...hmm.  But nope, same rule.  Cheney knows his role, and is very good at playing the beta (the whole thing is kind of funny, but he talks up George, Jr's leadership qualities every chance he gets).

Barack is an alpha and Hillary is an alpha.  And it's even worse, because when people talk about Clinton getting the VP slot their argument is that this would be Obama's way of showing her respect.

The VP slot is NOT about respect!  It's the only job in American politics where someone can't be an overachiever.  "See that county clerk?  She might make a great congressman or senator some day".  A VP can't do this.  It's not the "warm bucket of spit" John Nance Garner called it so many years ago, but c'mon, this is a real problem.

And it's doubly so for Obama, because if he made Clinton his VP the question would then arise about whether he was showing her proper respect once he was in office.  Total nightmare.  It's the VP's job to make the president good.  

Don't do it!  Obama, show your respect in some other way!  Put her on the Supreme Court!  Anything but this!  She only thinks she wants it because right now it's what's on the table!

C'mon, Clinton supporters, she'd be miserable.  Obama should pick someone who would genuinely find it to be an enormous honor to have this job.  The VP needs to be someone who would look good carrying the president's briefcase.  That's not her.    


by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:04:21 PM EST

It won't be offered. (none / 0)

Jimmy Carter said it best recently. Why would anyone take Hillary's huge negatives outside the party and add them to his own?

Why would anyone take that now obsolete truckload of slime the Republicans have been accumulating against the Clintons for the last 8 years and put that back in play.

Why would Obama dilute his message?

I think Obama should just rip off the band-aid soon and make an announcement that he and Hillary have discussed it and she will not be VP. Might as well get it over with because it's going to happen eventually.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:12:08 PM EST

Re: It won't be offered. (2.00 / 1)

Carter has no love for the Clintons'.

It is a wee bit biased coming from him


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:17:48 PM EST
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Agree with your last point (none / 0)

If it's not going to happen, the sooner to make the statement the better.   At least then everyone knows the situation.  She's made it clear that she's not even going to concede let alone work hard for him until this discussion has been had.

He hinted in his speech last night that he is prepared to offer her head of HHS.   This would be a good fit for her.   I personally believe that they should run together.   This is not the classical election cycle where the issues of ticket balance and alpha/beta govern the VP choice.

We have a contest where one candidate won more delegates, the other received more votes, and where the Superdelegates appointed a nominee.  Unity and healing should be the paramount goal, and this can best be accomplished through a joint ticket.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:19:51 PM EST
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Re: Agree with your last point (none / 0)

No. We have a contest where one candidate won the most pledged delegates, most super delegates, most states, and most votes, and the other one was Hillary Clinton. He is the nominee.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:39:32 PM EST
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You depart from the facts on the most votes (none / 0)

More people voted for HRC than BHO.  That is simply a fact.  But that and a few good campaign speeches don't get you much.  


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:45:34 PM EST
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It's not simple, and it's not a fact. (none / 0)

She's only ahead, and by a small amount, if you count Michigan, where Obama wasn't on the ballot, and where which the party has said is not a valid contest.

I repeat.

Most delegates (of any kind).
Most states.
Most votes.

In essence, only the first metric matters, but no matter how you look at it, he's the nominee. Either get behind that or check out http://www.johnmccain.com/.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:50:15 PM EST
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Thank you for your petty and unneccessary taunt (none / 0)

Where in fact did I make a statement that the nomination was not settled?  It is.  

On the votes, MI is valid.  Obama took his name off of the ballot to curry favor in IA.   So be it.   More people pulled the lever in state-sanctioned contests for Clinton.   However, Obama is our nominee.   Certainly it is only the first metric that matters, so no point in discussing it further.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:56:26 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 1)

I posted this on another diary, but I think it got lost in the shuffle.  This is as good as a place to post it.

As you know, I am a strong and passionate HRC supporter, who will vote for Obama, but not with the type of vigor I would have with HRC.

If HRC is on the ticket, just think of the millions like me who would then be re-energized and now pour our heart & souls into this campaign.

selfish - nah.  I didn't vote for BC in the 1992 primaries.  He got the nomination and I would vote for him.  But when he put Gore on the ticket (I have had a long admiration for Gore since 1988), I was energized for the Clinton/Gore ticket.  

So much so, that when BC came to Southern Cal in Oct of 1992 and held a rally, I was a convert to Bill Clinton.  And have been ever since.

so, yeah, I will vote for Obama.   but just think of how the party will be energized if you have the 2 sides together and believing in one another.

I know there are some who voted against Hillary and not for Obama.  That is not the best way to pick a person.  I think those folks are the minority - the Hillary haters - in the Democratic party.  They just are shrill and loud.


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:17:15 PM EST

Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

This won't happen because HRC doesn't believe in Obama.

She has made her entire post-Iowa campaign based on kneecapping him based on non-issue-based attacks.


by notxjack on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:22:42 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (2.00 / 2)

Believe in Obama?

see, that is the problem that I have right now.  She BELIEVES in the cause, as does Obama.

that is bigger than Obama; it will outlast him and outshine him.

and Obama made his campaign kneecapping Hillary on the most divisive  and anything to win comments - since last fall.

and don't forget the okay-doke.  so, Obama made some snarky comments as well.


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:26:01 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

That's the point and problem of many Obama supporters and just plain interested observers: She doesn't seem to believe in "the cause."

If she's "holding" her supporters as leverage, it endangers "the cause."

If she endorses the Republican so often, they start using video footage of it in ads against our nominee, she endangers "the cause."

If she refuses to even acknowledge we have a nominee, it endangers "the cause."

You talk about Barack "kneecapping" Hillary? How so?

Comparatively speaking, what has done that is as brazen or damaging as what I cite above?


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:41:57 PM EST
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Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

Rendell is even saying this is a no-go(via The Page).  He also said it's not a good idea to pressure Obama into choosing her as VP.  In the next few days, they'll be all sorts of petitions and supporters coming out.  

Bob Johnson is also probably not the right person to have come out on your behalf and push this(He implied that she understood he was coming out to say this).


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:22:39 PM EST

Re: Bob Johnson says Hillary will accept VP (none / 0)

Here's what Bob Johnson said on CNN. Bob went round and round with John King, but came around to saying that Hillary would accept VP in the interest of the party.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:13:10 PM EST


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